i think we all recall when another washington resident, sally jewel, was here at the committee and she pointed out recreation now is a $646 billion annually boost to the american economy. this is outdoor recreation, close to $650 billion a year. this is everything from guides to equipment to clothing, the list goes on and on. so your points are well taken. and one of the reasons that i asked about the oregon caves, and i think you also touch on another very important point, it's not correct to say that maintenance and acquisition are always mutually exclusive, that in a number of instances, they go hand in hand and that acquisition may in fact actually lower some of the maintenance costs. as usual, you make a number of important -- >> i don't want to delay any colleagues but i think director jarvis will remember this, a land acquisition on the carbon river allowed us to expand mount rainier. why did we do it? because it kept getting washed out. the entrance point kept getting washed out and we came to congress to ask for $235,000 every four years. by doing that land acquisition we were